Vaccination?

[lady_karelia]

Something came up in chat tonight, and because it's late and I'm tired and have to be up early in the morning, I offered to continue the discussion on LJ. So here goes.

If you're that keen on convincing me why I should allow myself or my children be injected with a cocktail of poisonous substances, then please provide me with the scientific evidence, ie. link to scientific studies that prove to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that vaccines are beneficial rather than damaging.

I spent nearly eight years of my life looking for that scientific evidence. I started out because I wanted to disprove someone who told me I'm a "believer in the religion of medicine". I was desperate to find a scientific proof and subscribed to medical journals, which cost me a fortune. When I finally gave up, I had never felt more disappointed.

For example, one would think there'd be plenty of double-blind studies out there, proving that vaccines are beneficial. Well, I'll be darned. Didn't find a single one.

Don't bother linking me to "news". The "news" also tell you how wonderful diet coke is. Or ready-made meals that contain more poisons than edible stuff, let alone nourishment. Or how wonderful meat is. So, just don't. I want scientific evidence.

Give me a clue why it might be beneficial to inject mercury, formaldehyde, aborted fetal tissue, animal dna, alunimum directly into the blood of a human. All in one go. And that's not even mentioning the "virus" which is "weakened". Weakened with what kind of methods? Ethical? I doubt it.

And, as someone was afraid of meeting me or my children since we're not fully vaccinated, please tell me why you are afraid if YOUR children are fully vaccinated to meet my unvaccinated children??? You are told when you bring your children into your doctor's office as well as by TV commercials that once your children are vaccinated, they are fully immune to the disease they're vaccinated against. Why are you afraid of non-vaccinated people if the vaccines are so safe and protective???

I have been reading my f-list religiously. Each time vaccines are mentioned, they go together with the mention of sickness. The flu vaccine wasn't "the right strain that's why I had the flu anyways", or the flu vaccine "made me sick like hell". The anti-cervical cancer vaccine "made dd really sick, but at least she'll be protected now". Oh, rly? She might be so well protected that she'll never have children. Read the package insert, at the very least. And for crying out loud, please do your research.

Comments

[lady-karelia.livejournal.com]

There are still 25 mcg thimerosol in the flu vax, so it hasn't been quite completely removed. But yes, I value my right to see the risk of an adverse reaction as greater than the disease.

That's interesting to read that you're one of the very few in the military to go through the entire regimen. I've always been under the impression that if you don't state your objection to vaccines when you sign up, you are not given a choice but simply have to accept them all. Am I wrong? Got any relevant link?

From what I understand, there are no studies that look at the formula vs. breastfed kids and a connection to autism. I guess it's a matter of suppression here as well, considering how powerful the formula companies are. There is certainly plenty of scientific evidence that breastfed children are healthier in general, though.

[ltgarrix.livejournal.com]

Well, the anthrax vaccine is one that is delivered in several steps. I think there is a series of 6 or 7 shots before you hit the annual booster phase. I just happened to have my two sea tours and deployments coincide with the start of the vaccine program. There was a couple year hiatus in which the vaccine was being challenged and the program had been suspended. I know that J never did the whole regimen, and of the folks on my second ship, there were only a couple who had been given shots under the first round. They were only vaccinating those who would be deploying to the Middle East. There may be more in the other services, but just because of when there was a break in the program and the relatively small percentage of careerist, I'm sure there aren't that many who have done the whole thing.

It is very hard to refuse vaccines in the US military. Folks who refused smallpox and anthrax were getting taken to court martial and being discharged. Normally any religion that opposes vaccines tends to oppose being the military, so finding someone who won't get vaccinated (other than the flue which you can avoid at some commands because they are so large) is incredibly rare. and I have no idea if the anthrax vaccination program is still in place as I've not been to sea for a while and I never got my next booster.

Interesting about autism and breastfed/formula fed. Just given the fact that formulas have chemicals in them, I would think that would have been something that would be studied. But then again, the formula folks spend a lot of money still trying to subtly convince mothers that formula is better (though thankfully in the US they have to have on the package somewhere that breastmilk is best, but it's always in small print). And of course, there are all the other chemicals in everything else, including cow's milk (which if Katie actually would drink anything from a cup or bottle, I would buy organic for her, but we are still fighting the drink battle)