Vaccination?

[lady_karelia]

Something came up in chat tonight, and because it's late and I'm tired and have to be up early in the morning, I offered to continue the discussion on LJ. So here goes.

If you're that keen on convincing me why I should allow myself or my children be injected with a cocktail of poisonous substances, then please provide me with the scientific evidence, ie. link to scientific studies that prove to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that vaccines are beneficial rather than damaging.

I spent nearly eight years of my life looking for that scientific evidence. I started out because I wanted to disprove someone who told me I'm a "believer in the religion of medicine". I was desperate to find a scientific proof and subscribed to medical journals, which cost me a fortune. When I finally gave up, I had never felt more disappointed.

For example, one would think there'd be plenty of double-blind studies out there, proving that vaccines are beneficial. Well, I'll be darned. Didn't find a single one.

Don't bother linking me to "news". The "news" also tell you how wonderful diet coke is. Or ready-made meals that contain more poisons than edible stuff, let alone nourishment. Or how wonderful meat is. So, just don't. I want scientific evidence.

Give me a clue why it might be beneficial to inject mercury, formaldehyde, aborted fetal tissue, animal dna, alunimum directly into the blood of a human. All in one go. And that's not even mentioning the "virus" which is "weakened". Weakened with what kind of methods? Ethical? I doubt it.

And, as someone was afraid of meeting me or my children since we're not fully vaccinated, please tell me why you are afraid if YOUR children are fully vaccinated to meet my unvaccinated children??? You are told when you bring your children into your doctor's office as well as by TV commercials that once your children are vaccinated, they are fully immune to the disease they're vaccinated against. Why are you afraid of non-vaccinated people if the vaccines are so safe and protective???

I have been reading my f-list religiously. Each time vaccines are mentioned, they go together with the mention of sickness. The flu vaccine wasn't "the right strain that's why I had the flu anyways", or the flu vaccine "made me sick like hell". The anti-cervical cancer vaccine "made dd really sick, but at least she'll be protected now". Oh, rly? She might be so well protected that she'll never have children. Read the package insert, at the very least. And for crying out loud, please do your research.

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[lady-karelia.livejournal.com]

Here (http://whale.to/a/biggsext.html) is a whole book about how smallpox vaccination failed in England and how cities who stopped the smallpox vaccinations stopped seeing the disease. A German doctor, G Buchwald, published "Vaccination - The Business With Fear" I think it's called, and it documents the last one hundred cases of smallpox that occurred in Germany. All 100 were fully vaccinated.

In society? Well, look at the live vaccines, flu and mmr. People shed the virus for between three and six weeks. They are not quarantined during those weeks. So the virus is alive and well and spread everywhere. Unfortunately, no studies show the effects of the shedded vaccines on people.

You were told you had to get them to attend uni. Every state in the US has either a religious or a philosophical exemption. But if you don't know about it, then the officials will tell you that you must be vaccinated.

There are lots of studies that show evidence of the dangers: Tetanus (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm), Shaken Baby Syndrome (http://home.san.rr.com/via/DISEASE/sbs--scheibner.htm), Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html). If you want more, there is plenty out there by Dr H Buttram, Dr Archie Kalokerinos, Dr Mendelsohn, Hilary Butler.

[angelmischa.livejournal.com]

100 cases of smallpox out of how many people in how many years? Sure, vaccines don't work 100% of the time, but then neither do condoms...

As for flu, well, I'm not even quite convinced about that as a necessary vaccination; like was said, there are many strains and normally only one is vaccinated against. We're not really that concerned, as far as I can tell. I think that some of the vaccines are an over-reaction (like the US idea that a chickenpox vaccine was necessary! WTH?). A lot of medicine (and science and technology in general) is now based on 'let's try and eliminate anything remotely boring/tedious/unpleasant'.

There are more pressing concerns about medicine, I think, like the overuse of antibiotics causing an'arms-race' with superbugs (anyone got statistics on what kills more people: MMR vaccines or MRSA? That would be interesting to know...). And there are other, IMHO, more troubling issues that fall under the 'philsophically objectionable' heading, such as surgical 'corrections' on intersex children. And if you look at lots of psychology and theories of mind and all the rubbish theories about how best to teach your child this or that... I actually do think a lot of medicine and science is dangerous/questionable. I also think that the recommended 'every six months' visit to the dentist is a swindle, just like maybe you think the vaccine industry is a swindle, but probably most people don't hold those same opinions.

(Also, fyi, I wasn't simply stupid/ill-informed and didn't know about the exemption. I did see on the form—yes, I know, shocking, someone read some of the boring forms—that I could claim an exemption. I didn't feel like I had a philosophical objection, and I wasn't going to just claim I had one out of laziness about getting to the doctors. I think that most other people will have done the same thing, if they hadn't already received all of those vaccinations anyway.)